Apologist, Good Vs Evil.

 The Battle between Good and Evil

Alright, I’m going to roll out a big one…

The Apologist’s argument to the battle between Good and Evil is like going to a magic show, except the smoke doesn’t really conceal the mirrors.  There are two arguments I want to tackle.

Number one “Good and Evil represent choices, and they exemplify free will, which is the more important aspect of Good and Evil”.

 This answer by Ravi Zacharias sounds beautiful, it’s like falling into a pile of fluffy pillows, but it’s what’s underneath that pile that matters.  This statement covers up the question, by redirecting to an entirely different concept, known as free will. 

Number two.  “Before anything there was God, and God was GOOD.  Everything else was secondary to (GOOD), God.  Evil is the opposite of good, like light and dark.”

So in this argument you are lead to believe that Evil is an innate side effect of Good.  This would mean that God being the originator of Good is the guidepost of what is good.  Since Satan is the key representative of evil then Satan would be the guidepost for evil.   This very obvious correlation can be drawn from the apologist statement.  What contradicts this statement is that good and evil are not decided by God, but by man.  Let me give you an example

Today in America Child abuse is considered evil.  Abusers are punished when found.  Over two thousand years ago in Sparta, Child abuse was how they raised their children.  To them it wasn’t abuse, but by today’s standard in America every one of the Spartan citizens would have been jailed for abuse.  This proves that the Definition of right and wrong, or good and evil are determined by man and the social normative virtues at any given time. 

Now let’s go back to the originators of Good and Evil.  God being good, created the angels without free will, to do his bidding.  Yet, an angel named Lucifer raised an army of angels and war was fought in heaven.  Satan became the example of evil, and became the ruler of all evil.

Let’s put this into lesser terms.  If I watch a pile of rocks, and wait for them to move on their own without some OTHER force acting upon it, I will be watching for eternity, because those rocks do not have the capacity to move on their own.  The same thing happened in Heaven when the angels rebelled against God.  If those angels did not have free will, then they were ordered by the only person capable of making them perform an evil task.  This means that God made Lucifer defy him and therefore Lucifer acted according to Gods command, and therefore all evil is an act of God.  Lucifer is not the opposite of God, he is the command of God, and therefore God being Good, and Satan being Evil, cancels out, and leaves you with nothing.  Also, God is supposed to be an all knowing being, yet he created a being which rebelled against him, which would mean that still, that being acted upon command by God.

Now let’s go back to the point that Good and Evil is determined by man.  If man even has the capacity to decide for themselves what good or evil is, then man is the creator of good and evil, or God and Satan. 

So in essence the act of subscribing to any religion which claims that Good and Evil exists, is just an extension of the social norm, which determines good and evil, and therefore it is up to the individual to use it as such.

I want to hear an Apologist tackle this one without stuttering.

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2 Responses to “Apologist, Good Vs Evil.”
  1. What contradicts this statement is that good and evil are not decided by God, but by man. Let me give you an example

    Today in America Child abuse is considered evil. Abusers are punished when found. Over two thousand years ago in Sparta, Child abuse was how they raised their children. To them it wasn’t abuse, but by today’s standard in America every one of the Spartan citizens would have been jailed for abuse. This proves that the Definition of right and wrong, or good and evil are determined by man and the social normative virtues at any given time.

    First: Good and evil are decided by man? What standard or norm does man use to decide something is good and something is evil?

    Second: Your child abuse example doesn’t prove your point. To wit, it doesn’t prove we’ve all of a sudden become better moral beings because we don’t treat our children like the Spartans did. All it proves (if it proves anything) is that we define “child abuse” differently. Man has always been a moral creature (that’s how God created him).

    The same thing happened in Heaven when the angels rebelled against God. If those angels did not have free will, then they were ordered by the only person capable of making them perform an evil task. This means that God made Lucifer defy him and therefore Lucifer acted according to Gods command, and therefore all evil is an act of God.

    You’re just making this up! By what basis do you assert that angels have no free will? Where is the command given by God for Satan to rebel? You have nothing to base these assertions on except your imagination. Angels, like human beings, are volitional creatures; they make choices. Christianity doesn’t tell us where evil, or the desire to disobey God, came from; but then every other philosophy, worldview, or belief system has difficulty with this issue too. The point being Satan made a choice to rebel, he made a choice to tempt Adam & Eve. Adam & Eve made a choice to disobey God. We all make choices. You made a choice to write this article and I made a choice to respond.

    Also, God is supposed to be an all knowing being, yet he created a being which rebelled against him, which would mean that still, that being acted upon command by God.

    God is all-knowing (omniscient) and he still freely chose to create the world in which we live. So what does that tell you? Apparently, it tells you that God is the primary and only cause of everything. However, you’re missing the crucial ingredient. God decrees everything that comes to pass (including Satan’s rebellion and the fall of man), but he decrees them to fall out according to certain secondary causes (i.e., means). In other words, God not only ordains the ends, but the means as well. God ordained the fall of man, but he also ordained that it would occur through the free choice of Adam & Eve responding to the temptation of Satan. God is “the cause” only in the sense that he brought this world into existence and sustains the existence of Adam, Eve, and Satan (and everything else). The direct (or immediate) cause are the free choices of the moral agents involved. Therefore, Satan, Adam and Eve are not being forced to do God’s bidding, nor are they somehow being commanded by God to do this (show me where God commanded Satan to rebel and Adam to fall). Rather they are following their own desires and making choices based on them. That is the very essence of moral responsibility.

    • Esko says:

      I Understand the mentality, because God said “I Am”, is a way of saying “just because”. Your statements all sound like a just because statement, which makes sense because Christianity is purely based on faith that there is a “Just Because God”. It is when you stop looking at this idea of “God is and does, because he is and does”, Questions arise, which only seem to beget answers like yours. I am not saying your answer is wrong, I am simply saying your answer doesn’t work for me. There are variables at play here which are far beyond human comprehension, even the way you have explained it. The question of God (if there is one), brings us to answers which are (in my opinion) pure speculation, derived from the early church, and indocrinated.

      I thank you for you input, and another thought provoking debate.

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